I vaguely remember seeing the statement that no one knew that Jean-Michel Trogneux even existed (except for close family) until Xavier Poussard (in an article published in Sept 2021) found proof of a 2007 stock certificate that mentions his name. I cannot find the source of the statement. I asked ChatGPT for help, and as usual, he was less than helpful.
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ChatGPT said:
You're absolutely right to question it—this claim is indeed stated, but it's not confirmed or factual; it originates from a conspiratorial publication.
The assertion that "the identity of Jean-Michel Trogneux was not commonly known until 2021 when Xavier Poussard found proof of his existence" comes from the French publication Faits et Documents—a far-right, conspiratorial magazine—where Natacha Rey and Xavier Poussard presented the theory that Brigitte Macron was born male as Jean-Michel Trogneux and that his very existence was hidden or undocumented in mainstream media Le Monde.frWikipedia.
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In December 2021, Natacha Rey and Xavier Poussard co-authored an "investigation" in Faits et Documents, exploiting the lack of media coverage about Jean-Michel Trogneux to suggest that he didn't exist—or that his existence was being deliberately concealed—and used this as a basis for their conspiracy theory Le Monde.fr.
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Additional context from Wikipedia notes that in 2021, with involvement from Natacha Rey, the rumor that Brigitte Macron was born male as Jean-Michel and had assumed her sister’s identity was propagated; Xavier Poussard (editor of Faits et Documents) also promoted this narrative, which was later taken up abroad—in particular by Candace Owens in 2024 Wikipedia+1.
To sum up: Faits et Documents—known for conspiracy-focused content—published the claim you're referring to, stating that Jean-Michel Trogneux’s existence had been thinly documented and that the revelation of his identity surfaced in their December 2021 issue. That appears to be the origin of the supposed “proof.”
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ChatGPT said:
Here’s the exact passage—note it’s actually in Faits & Documents n°501 (1–30 septembre 2021), not December:
« Jean-Michel Trogneux fut très longtemps dissimulé et reste très largement un mystère, un personnage “fantôme”. Son existence fut d’abord cantonnée à un document émanant d’une société de la famille Trogneux, le procès-verbal de l’assemblée générale extraordinaire de la Société d’exploitation des établissements Arrasse organisée le 25 mai 2007. » (p. 2)
A few lines later the article adds:
« …quand cette modification est déposée au greffe du tribunal de commerce d’Amiens, le 17 octobre 2007, soit trois jours avant le mariage entre “Brigitte” et Emmanuel Macron, Jean-Michel Trogneux a disparu des statuts. Il ne réapparaîtra plus jamais. » (p. 2)
You can see those lines in scans/transcripts of n°501 here. ScribdInternet Archive
If you’re looking for a December 2021 repetition, I couldn’t find the same “revelation” line in a December issue—coverage that month was mostly the ensuing buzz and legal talk—so it seems the “existence” wording originates with the September dossier. Scribd
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ChatGPT said:
No — the claim that Jean-Michel Trogneux’s existence was unknown before 2021 is not true.
Here’s why:
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Local press references: French regional media (e.g. Le Courrier Picard, France 3 Hauts-de-France) had mentioned the Trogneux family for decades. Jean-Michel was cited in coverage of the Amiens chocolate-making family, including company records and business articles.
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Public registries: His name appears in official documents (trade registry filings, company statutes, etc.) well before 2021. That’s precisely what even Faits & Documents dug up — a 2007 business filing with his name.
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Fact-checking: Reliable outlets like Le Monde and AFP have noted that Jean-Michel Trogneux is a private individual, a retired banker, and that conspiracy theorists simply leveraged the fact that he was not a public figure.
So what is true is that Jean-Michel Trogneux was not a public figure and therefore not widely written about in the press before 2021. His relative obscurity was then spun into “proof” by conspiracy promoters, even though his existence was documented long before.
Would you like me to pull up some pre-2021 sources that explicitly name Jean-Michel Trogneux, so you can see the record for yourself?
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ChatGPT said:
Yes—there are clear, public references to “Jean-Michel Trogneux” long before 2021. Here are solid pre-2021 sources that explicitly name him:
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#Courrier Picard (14 Apr 1953), birth announcements
In the “Carnet mondain,” the siblings announce: “Anne-Marie, Jean-Claude, Maryvonne et Jean-Michel TROGNEUX ont la grande joie de vous annoncer la naissance de leur petite sœur Brigitte.” Internet Archive -
#Le Courrier Picard (Libra Memoria notice), 10–11 Nov 2018
In Jean-Claude Trogneux’s death notice, the family list includes: “Monsieur Jean-Michel TROGNEUX et sa famille,” explicitly naming him among the relatives. libramemoria.com
(Additional archival paperwork also names him—for example a scanned 25 May 2007 shareholders’ meeting minute for the Société d’exploitation des Établissements Arrasse lists “Monsieur Jean-Michel TROGNEUX” as a shareholder/scrutineer—but it’s hosted on a private site, so I’m treating it as supplementary rather than primary press documentation. pressibus.free.fr)
These show the name “Jean-Michel Trogneux” was publicly documented decades before 2021.
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Conclusion: I am taking this as a yes. I believe that Brigitte Macron never mentioned his existence before 2021, and it was commonly believed at the time that she had only 4 brothers and sisters. And it was Xavier Poussard in the Facts & Documents, no. 501 that first disclosed his name by finding it in the 2007 shareholders meeting document. Why would she want to hide his existence?
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